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GRINDR, BLENDR ... The Danger of 'Hook-Up' Apps

By Lisa Barr

I'm an optimist, a Cup Half-Full person. There are, however, a few things I really hate -- and topping my list are pedophiles/predators. Nowhere are they more prevalent but online, on apps, in chat rooms, and I'm learning ... on blogs (but that's another story).

For those who have been following my blogs these past six months, you know two things about me: If something is dangerous or hurtful to kids -- I will expose it. If something hurts our relationships -- you will find it here on this blog in the raw, no holding back.

The other day, a Mom contacted me, and proceeded to tell me a story about how her gay cousin, who is in his late 40s, was visiting her from out of town, and they were having dinner. She noticed he was staring at various pics on his phone  -- on an app she had never seen before called Grindr (yeah, no "e"). The gist of it ... it is a gay "meet" site.  You send photos of yourself with a description and the app tells you how close in proximity another person who is "of interest" is to you  ... ie. Steve X is 480 feet away ... and if you're IN and he's IN a connection will be made  -- ideal for a coffee or a quickie. This is the "gay, bi, or curious"  site -- its heterosexual counterpart is called Blendr (note,  no "e" ).

Blendr/Grindr -- what we have here, my friends, is a Cuisinart of Booty Call.

Now here's the story ... the Mom noticed a few familiar married men advertising themselves on Grindr, and while that was definitely fodder for conversation, what stopped her in her tracks was when she noticed two BOYS on there as well -- a 14 and a 15 year old masquerading as 18 year olds -- the mandated age for the site. She knew their parents, she knew the boys, she knew they were lying -- and she was scared for them. They were clearly living out their "secret" on the edge of potential danger.

What to do?

She called a close friend of one of the boy's Moms and told her what she had seen -- that Mom alerted the boy's parents who found out the hard way that their eighth grade son was soliciting male "friendships."

These two boys are too young to truly comprehend the dangers of being picked up -- and I wondered how many more under-aged boys there are on Grindr -- and what protection, if any, is Out There.

I called a local detective in my town, who is very active with teaching kids -- particularly middle-schoolers -- about the dangers of drugs and alcohol.

"Is this legal?" I asked Marci Landy, a detective with the Deerfield Police Department. "And if so, how do we protect our kids?"

Detective Landy explained that if the boys are saying they are 18 on the site, and someone picks them up believing they are 18 -- it is very difficult to prosecute if the boys are misrepresenting themselves.

"It is sad and unfortunate," Landy said. "Facebook subscribers, for example, need to be 12 years old -- do you know how many sixth graders who are NOT 12 are on Facebook? We would need a national force to go after all of them. And in this case, if the kids are lying about their age, there is nothing we can do. If, however, a man knowingly picks up a youngster -- and we can prove it -- then that's a different story. For example if the boy says to the solicitor, 'I can't meet you because I have to take my finals or I have a track meet after school' -- alluding to the fact that he is only in junior high or high school -- that is indeed grounds for police intervention."

I then contacted Jordy Shulman, 17, a high-school senior who co-wrote the "Mom, I'm Gay" article (GIRLilla Warfare, September 12) and asked him a slew of questions: Did he know about Grindr (YES) , and how do we protect our teenagers? 

Here's Jordy's take on GRINDR:

"Over the past couple of years, online dating and flirting has become immensely popular. Why waste time going out and meeting people, when you can just see someone you like online and 'message' them?  For many people, this method is convenient and an easy way to meet others. But for some, this method can come off as particularly 'sketchy' and unsafe.

Grindr, an app for mobile devices, is designed for gay men to meet other gay men within your area. When on Grindr, the first thing you see are rows of pictures with names under them. A lot of these pictures range from a normal-looking teen, smiling, to a shirtless 50-year old.

But the real question is if the person displayed in the picture is actually that person in reality. Whether the 18-year-old named “John” is actually a 14-year-old named “Jake”.

It is the unknown that can be extremely scary.

This, however, is not to say that Grindr is not used by men for its original purpose.  A lot of single gay men out there use this app to meet other gay men, in hopes to meet them in real life and date. One could say that Grindr is an equivalent to a website like eHarmony.com, or Match.com, just with less restrictions and policies.

About a year ago, I thought that it would be a cool idea to see what this app was all about.  I had never been exposed to a strictly gay social networking site before, and I felt that it would be interesting to see what it was like.  I thought that it could possibly benefit me as a young gay teen.

I was wrong.

Right from the beginning, I knew that this app was not safe by any means.  There were times when men much older than me would send me a message, and it made me feel uncomfortable -- it was not what I thought it was going to be.

To me, Grindr came off as extremely offensive and hurtful, because of how people only message you from knowing what you look like. If you don’t fit into someone else’s 'criteria' then you’re worth nothing to them. This led me to learn that Grindr was also primarily used for people wanting to 'hook up' which I also felt was extremely risky.

People on Grindr lie about their age -- it’s that simple. A gay teen who believes that he is meeting up with a fellow teen, could very well be meeting up with a man who is much older.  I know that if my parents found out I was using this, they would be extremely worried.

I deleted my account a couple of days after making one.

Being a closeted gay teen can be extremely difficult. You feel closed in, with nothing to rely on, and you feel that no one understands you.  You want so badly to be accepted, and for people to think of you as any other person. You wish that dating would be as easy as any straight guy dating a girl, but it is far from it. Teens are turning to apps like Grindr because they feel that it is the only way for them to be open within a community.

If I were to give a piece of advice to a struggling teen, I would say that something like Grindr would only put you in a position of possibly engaging in risky and inappropriate behavior.

Grindr can be a place that is very unsafe, and isn’t something that would make you feel better about yourself.  I know how hard it is -- I’ve been there.  But closeted gay teens need to know that things will get better, without the help of apps such as Grindr.  In fact, you’re better off without it. Focus on school. Focus on your friends. Focus on your passions. Gay or straight, social networking sites that are geared towards sexual encounters are dangerous for teens of any age or any orientation."

For those parents who may be looking for a way to help but not wanting in any way to hurt a "closeted" gay teen -- Detective Landy had a great suggestion that will provide a student with an avenue of confidentiality: Call the school counselor.

"These counselors must maintain confidentiality," Landy explains. "The counselor can meet with the teenager privately and explain why these sites can lead him or her down the wrong path. The counselor will also explain the repercussions of solicitation and predators -- without having anyone reveal a secret."

Parents: Underaged means inexperienced and unable to truly recognize a predator. If you have the ability to check out your kid's cell phone -- do it. Keep an eye out for Grindr, Blendr -- and other cyber Eye Candy apps which promise meeting not The One ... but the One Right Now.

I know this all sounds a bit alarmist -- like Big Brother and Neighborhood Watch -- but as parents of teenagers -- we really do need each other. It does take a village to raise a kid.

Lisa Barr is the editor of GIRLilla Warfare: A Mom's Guide to Surviving the Suburban Jungle (www.girlillawarfar.com), and author of "Fugitive Colors" (historical suspense, available on Amazon).

Dan Arenov

9:32 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

"..the boy's parents who found out the hard way that their eighth grade son was soliciting male "friendship.."

i find these double entendres of Lisa's disgusting. 'found out the hard way'? shame. shame.

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Stevie Janowski

12:37 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

cant wait to hear what our boy walter white has to say. Also your van fixed yet? ;)

Dan Arenov

9:34 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

and thanks for letting us all know about Grindr. that's wonderful. so the gays have their own hookup app. things we all wanted to know.

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kevin

11:02 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

The point of the piece was not to say that gays have a hook up site, it was to say that young kids are using a adult site to try to hook up with adults. Some people are morons.

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kevin

11:03 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

And if you don't like what she's writing, don't click on the link? So easy but people are dumb.

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Stevie Janowski

12:36 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

Great article about gay cousins!! But in all reality this could be the worst one yet. Lisa this is a useless article and that subject matter (gays hooking up) does not belong on patch.

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Kenny Powers

10:44 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Stevie, READ THE ARTICLE YOU MORON. I hope Kenny beats your ass. I think it's very telling that you identify with Stevie Janowski.

Walter White

12:38 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

Wow, Bree. I guess whatever you say now is being deleted. I guess calling out an author for being a terrible writer is now somehow against Patch's terms of service. Sad.

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Walter White

1:53 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

Can't wait to hear the Patch's 'splanation on this one. It should be entertaining.

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Walter White

3:32 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

I think they want you to put up a picture of the real Bree Olson. I know I sure would.

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Stevie Janowski

4:14 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012

Bree, in regard to your comment, this video made me think of what you said http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU1LOaV68kc also he was about as good as a leader as lisa barr is a writer!

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Stevie Janowski

1:35 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Let the record show bree has had 4-6 comments taken down

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Kenny Powers

10:46 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Walter, I'm curious as to what you do for a living. You seem to spend most of your time prowling for stories to comment on. Do you actually read the stories or just the headlines?

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Walter White

10:53 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

I'm in the entertainment business. You?

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Brian

11:23 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

How exciting. We now get two characters from the same show.

Susan Shaw

11:57 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Hi Lisa, I have read your articles for a while now, and have officially lost faith in you. I think I speak for a lot of patch users when I say this, I dont want to hear about "gay cousins or hookup apps" I would like you to post something appropriate and not about gays. I find this article of yours to be your worst, and utterly worthless. Who gained anything from this? Not me. Please post something more patch appropriate and practical for the everyday patch user, or dont summit these at all.

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Chris Antonson

12:04 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Lisa, After reading this article I have lost complete faith in all of your writing. Week after week it gets worse and worse. Put something out that people actually want to hear about. And for the record it's defiantly not gay apps... You have crossed the line on this one.

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Brian

12:27 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

So I know a lot of commenters here have made a "sport" out of commenting on Lisa's blog posts, but did everyone really only take from this that it is just about how to hook up for a gay relationship? It's about the harm that these types of apps are causing by facilitating sexual predators. On top of that, about teens who may be gay and feel that this is the only way they can reach out to someone like them.

It also seems like most of the readers who are commenting (assuming you are all different people) are under the impression that they are forced to read her blog. When you post that you read it week to week and are continually disappointed by the subject, then why do you keep reading it? Is it only to barrage the message board with comments not really pertaining to the content of the article?

It's not hard to not hear about an article you don't like. Simply don't click the link. For me, it did provide some information that i was not aware of. As my son grows older, apps and sites like those Lisa mentions will only proliferate and gain momentum. I need to watch for people who would use sites like that to take advantage of him in any way, shape, or form.

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Stevie Janowski

12:42 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

No one likes your comments Brian, NO ONE

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Stevie Janowski

12:42 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Sorry to hear your son is gay as well

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Brian

12:56 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

No one has to like them. This isn't a social site and I'm not here to gain you as a friend. I figured some sort of anti gay comment would be coming from one of you as well. There is no need to apologies. I mean, he's only 1, so i really have no clue what his sexual preference may be. Whoever he ends up liking, good for him...as long as they aren't 20 years his elder.

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Stevie Janowski

1:04 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Your son is ONE and your trying to justify your interest in this article by staying up to date on predator APPS that are for CELL PHONES the ADULTS use. Give me a break brain, you are a joke.

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Stevie Janowski

1:05 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Also you speak of 20 years older, I took a glance at Lisa's blog she has posts from women sleeping with guys 15 years+ younger then her. GROSS

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Brian

1:16 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

If you don't like my comments, why are you getting so worked up? He will eventually be older and as technology progresses, apps like these will only evolve and grow. How on earth would knowing about them now be a bad thing? You told me if I wasn't aware, DCFS should take my son. So if I read an article that makes me more aware, that just makes me a joke? Got it. I'll work on my omniscience.

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Stevie Janowski

1:43 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

"You told me if I wasn't aware, DCFS should take my son" never said that guy, you should bring that up with walter white

Walter White

12:40 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

If you need someone to tell you that you should keep your kids away from sexual predators you need to give them over to DCFS immediately. The only reason for her stupid blog posts is to promote her website and book (available on Amazon!!).

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Stevie Janowski

12:43 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

OMG LISA PLEASE COMMENT A LINK TO YOUR BOOK!!! MUST READ!!!

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Brian

12:44 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

That's clearly what I meant that WW. I am aware that predators exist and that my son shouldn't chum up with them, but being married and not on the lookout for random sexual encounters (gay or straight), I was unaware that these specific sites existed, which would make this article informative to me.

Gary

12:46 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

I don't understand the hate-fest going on here. The article definitely has content of interest for the community and all the punctuation and sentence structure is correct... so why all the hate?

What other possible reason could justify the nasty comments? I wonder. Hmmmm.

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Stevie Janowski

7:50 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Fine, I summited my own blog. Hope it gets posted to Patch!

tom dressler

9:14 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Also,

I think Lisa's writing is terrific. I'm still waiting for my chance to get a hold of my teenagers' phones so I can monitor what they're doing. Lisa, how do you keep on top of your kids' "stuff" without breaking their trust?

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Lynette Paulson

11:43 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

I find these articles to be useless and in bad taste.

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Dan Arenov

11:54 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

For what it's worth, i think Lisa is a good writer. However, since the majority of her articles are about social networking, relationships, etc.. it's the kind of article that i like jumping in and making silly comments on. Sorry you have taken so much grief from us in the peanut gallery here Lisa, but whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

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Walter White

1:28 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

She should really post more of her serious journalism from her website. A few titles:

"Recently divorced? Watch out for married men"
"I AM a cougar...and LOVING IT!!"
"Happy endings...cheating or not?"

Why does Patch just get the boring stuff??

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Lisa Barr

4:09 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

I'm not sure how you got a hold of my email/photo etc. But the comment above is not me. (not to mention all the typos) - Lisa Barr

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Lisa Barr

9:46 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

I am a hacker and have all your information Lisa. Better shut the blog down again.
XoXo Lisa

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